Comments on: Gender Musings About the Polymer Clay Artists Who Visit This Blog http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/ "I learned by making mistakes... Now you don't have to." Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:52:10 -0700 hourly 1 By: Cindy Lietz@When Polymer Clay Techniques Go Bad http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-14939 Cindy Lietz@When Polymer Clay Techniques Go Bad Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:55:53 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-14939 This is a great conversation guys! Anyone else want to add their thoughts to it? This is a great conversation guys!

Anyone else want to add their thoughts to it?

]]> By: Catalina http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-14572 Catalina Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:37:52 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-14572 Great question, Ken! It can be a fine line. But, I like to take an idea, style, or technique I discover and change it enough to make it mine. Such as, change the color, size, material, etc. Right now, I want to create Native American Jewelry. I have been doing a lot a homework to learn the "art" of this type of jewelry design. Although, I would like to make "authentic" looking pieces, but, who would buy from a non-Native American Indian? I'm a Spanish/German mutt! How could it be authentic? So, my goal is to have the "influence" of the Native American designs incorporated but not copied. Learn the meaning of colors, symbols, material, etc. This is very difficult. But, I like challenges. Sometimes it is better to actually copy an artist to learn the style, technique, and craftsmanship but to keep these for yourself, as references. Once you master theses you will be able to make them your own and call it yours. Or at least let the person know how the item was made and what your purpose was for making it. Some people want "faux" pieces. If you let people know that then go for it. I hope this clear. Great question, Ken! It can be a fine line. But, I like to take an idea, style, or technique I discover and change it enough to make it mine. Such as, change the color, size, material, etc. Right now, I want to create Native American Jewelry. I have been doing a lot a homework to learn the "art" of this type of jewelry design. Although, I would like to make "authentic" looking pieces, but, who would buy from a non-Native American Indian? I'm a Spanish/German mutt! How could it be authentic? So, my goal is to have the "influence" of the Native American designs incorporated but not copied. Learn the meaning of colors, symbols, material, etc. This is very difficult. But, I like challenges.

Sometimes it is better to actually copy an artist to learn the style, technique, and craftsmanship but to keep these for yourself, as references. Once you master theses you will be able to make them your own and call it yours. Or at least let the person know how the item was made and what your purpose was for making it. Some people want "faux" pieces. If you let people know that then go for it. I hope this clear.

]]> By: Ken H. http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-14517 Ken H. Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:30:54 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-14517 Thank you both, your comments are very motivational. Cindy: While I'm not quite ready yet to tilt at the windmill yet, I will at least complement and inquire how an item is done if I see something beautiful being made in public. (baby steps. There is a question at the end of my coment to Catalina I would be interested in your opinons as well, considering all the beautiful things you show us here. Catalina: If you are a creative person you're usually creative in more than one area. Do you feel that someone can copy style and still not re-create a peice bead for bead or stroke for stroke in painting? I see designs all over the place and say "that's a good idea" but shy away from using it in a different project because I too dislike the idea of being "copied". being new to jewelry making, where does the line between inspiration and mimicry fall? Thank you both, your comments are very motivational.

Cindy: While I'm not quite ready yet to tilt at the windmill yet, I will at least complement and inquire how an item is done if I see something beautiful being made in public. (baby steps. There is a question at the end of my coment to Catalina I would be interested in your opinons as well, considering all the beautiful things you show us here.

Catalina: If you are a creative person you're usually creative in more than one area. Do you feel that someone can copy style and still not re-create a peice bead for bead or stroke for stroke in painting? I see designs all over the place and say "that's a good idea" but shy away from using it in a different project because I too dislike the idea of being "copied". being new to jewelry making, where does the line between inspiration and mimicry fall?

]]> By: Catalina http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-14510 Catalina Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:16:16 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-14510 Ken, I have the opposite problem. I have been very artistic in every media since I was 3. So, everyone assumes that if it was handmade, I made it. I would love to buy other peoples art work and enjoy their views on the world around them but, it would confuse my family and friends. "Did YOU make that?" Is what I would hear and I would have to confess, "No, but isn't it amazing?" Most would then lose interest or feel uncomfortable. Or say, "YOU could do THAT and why don't you try it..." I would feel guilty because I did not make it. (crazy, huh?) And I don't want to replicate others ideas. I know what it feels like to have others "steal" your work. I don't feel it is a "honor" to have other take your work and pass it on as theirs. (As I was told by a teacher when my work was taken by another student.) So, take pride in what YOU make! Be honored to have such talent to brighten our world. And take the credit for your talents! :) Ken, I have the opposite problem. I have been very artistic in every media since I was 3. So, everyone assumes that if it was handmade, I made it. I would love to buy other peoples art work and enjoy their views on the world around them but, it would confuse my family and friends. "Did YOU make that?" Is what I would hear and I would have to confess, "No, but isn't it amazing?" Most would then lose interest or feel uncomfortable. Or say, "YOU could do THAT and why don't you try it…" I would feel guilty because I did not make it. (crazy, huh?) And I don't want to replicate others ideas. I know what it feels like to have others "steal" your work. I don't feel it is a "honor" to have other take your work and pass it on as theirs. (As I was told by a teacher when my work was taken by another student.)
So, take pride in what YOU make! Be honored to have such talent to brighten our world. And take the credit for your talents! :)

]]> By: Cindy Lietz@Polymer Clay Blog http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-14407 Cindy Lietz@Polymer Clay Blog Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:50:59 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-14407 Ken, I think you should tell people that you have crocheted something yourself when you give it as a gift. It will just show them how amazing you are! Same with on the train and stuff. Who says only woman and Gay men are allowed to crochet and do crafts? That is ridiculous! If you want things to change, sometimes you have to be the one who changes it! Ken, I think you should tell people that you have crocheted something yourself when you give it as a gift. It will just show them how amazing you are!

Same with on the train and stuff. Who says only woman and Gay men are allowed to crochet and do crafts? That is ridiculous! If you want things to change, sometimes you have to be the one who changes it!

]]> By: Ken H. http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-14184 Ken H. Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:21:51 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-14184 Thanks Cindy, as an example (now I'm talking a looong time ago, age 8 or 9) my grandmother taught me to crochet, it was something we could do together when I was off from school during the summer(and it's somethng of her I have left now that shes gone), I can whip up a granny square blanket with the best of them, I have made a few for co-workers who were having children, but never admitted that I made them. I said I got my mother to make them, nor would I have worked on them on the train to and from work like I see women do. I've seen some beautiful work being done but did not say anything as to not garner suspision in public that I might understand what they were doing. Thanks Cindy, as an example (now I'm talking a looong time ago, age 8 or 9) my grandmother taught me to crochet, it was something we could do together when I was off from school during the summer(and it's somethng of her I have left now that shes gone), I can whip up a granny square blanket with the best of them, I have made a few for co-workers who were having children, but never admitted that I made them. I said I got my mother to make them, nor would I have worked on them on the train to and from work like I see women do. I've seen some beautiful work being done but did not say anything as to not garner suspision in public that I might understand what they were doing.

]]> By: Cindy Lietz@Polymer Clay Bead Making Course http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-13978 Cindy Lietz@Polymer Clay Bead Making Course Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:35:15 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-13978 Thanks Ani and Ken for a great discussion! The more these roles are dispelled the more creative we can all become! Ani, Doug is a very creative person himself. He does beautiful woodwork as well as many other things including video, photography and web design. He is as much the reason for this business working as I am. If it were not for all the work he does there would be no business. We make an excellent team! Most people here do not realize how important Doug is to this site and the library and it is wonderful that you should give him some much deserved credit! Ken, keep doing what you're doing... be proud! Some of the top artists in the crafting and polymer clay industry are men. Dan Cormier, Robert Dancik, Grant Diffendaffer, Jeffrey Lloyd Dever, and Tim Holtz are just to name a few! Thanks Ani and Ken for a great discussion! The more these roles are dispelled the more creative we can all become!

Ani, Doug is a very creative person himself. He does beautiful woodwork as well as many other things including video, photography and web design. He is as much the reason for this business working as I am. If it were not for all the work he does there would be no business. We make an excellent team! Most people here do not realize how important Doug is to this site and the library and it is wonderful that you should give him some much deserved credit!

Ken, keep doing what you're doing… be proud! Some of the top artists in the crafting and polymer clay industry are men. Dan Cormier, Robert Dancik, Grant Diffendaffer, Jeffrey Lloyd Dever, and Tim Holtz are just to name a few!

]]> By: Ken H. http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-13898 Ken H. Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:04:16 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-13898 Thank you Ani, while I would love to make my living performing I still must have a day job (which requires maybe three of my neurons to do), which is why I needed a hobby (jewelry making)that is a creative outlet and travels well for when I'm at rehearsals. There are still some crafts that I do not admit to doing when I gift them. Cindy, thank you for the chance to discuss this topic. Thank you Ani, while I would love to make my living performing I still must have a day job (which requires maybe three of my neurons to do), which is why I needed a hobby (jewelry making)that is a creative outlet and travels well for when I'm at rehearsals. There are still some crafts that I do not admit to doing when I gift them.

Cindy, thank you for the chance to discuss this topic.

]]> By: Ani http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-13887 Ani Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:20:22 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-13887 Ken...it is great you are following your passion. This reminds me about a story a female who is 6 feet 2 inches. One of the first things people said when they met her was, "Did you play basketball?" She never played basketball or volleyball and began to answer this question with, "No, did you?" Guess they thought the only benefit of being a tall woman was to be in sports like it was a requirement. I admire her ability to see in a crowd and reach all the cabinets in her kitchen. Wanted to mention to Cindy how much I admire your husband Doug's enthusiasm with your PC stuff. I have a friend that sells Stamping Up and she married her perfect soul mate. He does not do stamping or crafts but funnels his creativity through building storage for all her stamping supplies, going with her to trade shows and demonstrations, helps set up for sales of retired products and even goes with her to the annual conference. He is a gem !!!! Ken…it is great you are following your passion. This reminds me about a story a female who is 6 feet 2 inches. One of the first things people said when they met her was, "Did you play basketball?" She never played basketball or volleyball and began to answer this question with, "No, did you?" Guess they thought the only benefit of being a tall woman was to be in sports like it was a requirement. I admire her ability to see in a crowd and reach all the cabinets in her kitchen.

Wanted to mention to Cindy how much I admire your husband Doug's enthusiasm with your PC stuff. I have a friend that sells Stamping Up and she married her perfect soul mate. He does not do stamping or crafts but funnels his creativity through building storage for all her stamping supplies, going with her to trade shows and demonstrations, helps set up for sales of retired products and even goes with her to the annual conference. He is a gem !!!!

]]> By: Ken H. http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/gender-musings-polymer-clay-artists/3559/#comment-13843 Ken H. Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:27:35 +0000 http://www.beadsandbeading.com/blog/?p=3559#comment-13843 Having been raised in a household with only my Grandmother and Mother since I was five, I feel has lightened the burden of being a male in the arts. When I tell people that I'm a performer the next question almost 100% of the time is "Oh, what do you play?" when the reply comes "I sing opera" what happens next is - cricket chirps and few long seconds of silence later "Oh". It's the same thing for anything else in the creative realm in respects to men. I think that we're worried about being considered "happy" (to not offend anyone), a man today who is creative in anything but what is accepted as the "norm" for men, gags us into silence. I really don't care anymore, I've accepted that socially I've already got two strikes against me by being in the arts in general and interested in being creative and crafty. Having been raised in a household with only my Grandmother and Mother since I was five, I feel has lightened the burden of being a male in the arts. When I tell people that I'm a performer the next question almost 100% of the time is "Oh, what do you play?" when the reply comes "I sing opera" what happens next is – cricket chirps and few long seconds of silence later "Oh". It's the same thing for anything else in the creative realm in respects to men. I think that we're worried about being considered "happy" (to not offend anyone), a man today who is creative in anything but what is accepted as the "norm" for men, gags us into silence. I really don't care anymore, I've accepted that socially I've already got two strikes against me by being in the arts in general and interested in being creative and crafty.

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